A-zu-ra Posted December 9, 2018 Report Share Posted December 9, 2018 (edited) Does the MML have to be compatible with both MapleStory 2 AND 3MLE Maplebeats in order for it to be submitted on the site? I do most of my MML work within the game itself, and I took advantage of the fact that tempos are channel-independent by cutting a tempo by 1/2 or even 1/4 of the original value to conserve a few notes i.e. Quote t44 rrrr being the same ast176 rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr However, when I threw the MML into 3MLE Maplebeats, the tempos ended up getting messed up since I think 3MLE assumes that all tempos are universal instead of channel-independent like in the actual game. Will this mess things up in the approval process, even though it'll play fine on MapleStory 2 itself? If the website player does parse the 3MLE data, then I don't suppose the worst that could happen is the song preview will be gravely inaccurate to what MapleStory 2 playback will be. Edited December 9, 2018 by A-zu-ra Accidentally posted via Ctrl-Enter Link to comment
Guest Hisokai Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 (edited) 3MLEdoes use the tempo universally and you can also do this in a way in game with notelenght. In the example you've given you can instead do t176l1rrrr to achieve your t44rrrr and it can save you space even further as once you have tempo set adjusting the notelenght with "l1" "l2" etc is one less character than putting in "t44" or "t88" and this is also recognised as a feature on 3MLE so it wouldnt mess anything up when putting your tracks in there. Edit. It can also be even more compressed with t176l1.rr if you have a really long rest duration. (not best for this example as its so short but you get the idea (i hope). As for your question about approval, I have no answers to. Edited December 10, 2018 by Hisokai Link to comment
👑Janice Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 On 12/9/2018 at 7:24 AM, A-zu-ra said: Does the MML have to be compatible with both MapleStory 2 AND 3MLE Maplebeats in order for it to be submitted on the site? I do most of my MML work within the game itself, and I took advantage of the fact that tempos are channel-independent by cutting a tempo by 1/2 or even 1/4 of the original value to conserve a few notes i.e. However, when I threw the MML into 3MLE Maplebeats, the tempos ended up getting messed up since I think 3MLE assumes that all tempos are universal instead of channel-independent like in the actual game. Will this mess things up in the approval process, even though it'll play fine on MapleStory 2 itself? If the website player does parse the 3MLE data, then I don't suppose the worst that could happen is the song preview will be gravely inaccurate to what MapleStory 2 playback will be. This may indeed mess up your approval process as we use 3mle to solely check for tempo changes and make sure it matches up at the correct time stamps, this is important because the program we use to generate the mp3 preview also uses global tempo and would sound inaccurate to what you create in game by using different tempos for each track. You can try pming Yasuno by checking out the staff page on this site or joining the discord if its hard for you to change and submit using global tempos as I do help in the song approval process I do not handle special cases like this. We are used to having users submit content made in 3mle with global tempos. Link to comment
A-zu-ra Posted December 11, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 (edited) Hmm, if that's the case, I'll probably bite the bullet and keep the tempos consistent, even if it means an additional dozens of rs in the sheet. At least I know what's expected of me when it comes to what I can do for note saving and submitting to the site. If anyone was wondering what the MML in full looks like, here's what I was trying to attempt (note the different tempos on each channel). This would work correctly in MS2 itself, but break when played back on 3MLE. Spoiler Melody t176 l8 o5 v13fga>c<v12fga>c<v10fga>c<v8fga>c<v6fga>c<v5fga>c< v13fga>c<v12fga>c<v10fga>c<v8fga>c<v6fga>c<v5fga>c< v13fga>c<v12fga>c<v10fga>c<v8fga>c<v6fga>c<v5fga>c< v13fga>c<v12fga>c<v10fga>c<v8fga>c<v6fga>c<v5fga>c<v3fga>c<v2fga>c<< l1 rr. l8 v13 ff>c<fb-af>crc<b-ab-afc ff>c<fb-af>crc<b-ab-afc ff>c<fb-af>crc<b-ab-afc ff>c<fb-af>crc<b-ab-afc ff>c<fb-af>crc<b-ab-afc ff>c<fb-af>crc<b-ab-afc ff>c<fb-af>crc<b-ab-afc ff>c<fb-af>crc<b-ab-afc ff>c<fb-af>crc<b-ab-afc ff>c<fb-af>crc<b-ab-afc ff>c<fb-af>crc<b-ab-afc ff>c<fb-af>crc<b-ab-afc t44 l1 rrrr t176 l8 ff>c<fb-af>crc<b-ab-afc ff>c<fb-af>crc<b-ab-afc ff>c<fb-af>crc<b-ab-afc ff>c<fb-af>crc<b-ab-afc t44 l1 rrrr t176 l8 v8 fga>c<fga>c&c1<fga>c<fga>c&c1<fga>c<fga>c&c1<fga>c<fga>c&c1< fga>c<fga>c&c1<fga>c<fga>c&c1<fga>c<fga>c&c1<fga>c<fga>c&c1< v13 ff>c<fb-af>crc<b-ab-afc ff>c<fb-af>crc<b-ab-afc ff>c<fb-af>crc<b-ab-afc ff>c<fb-af>crc<b-ab-afc ff>c<fb-af>crc<b-ab-afc ff>c<fb-af>crc<b-ab-afc ff>c<fb-af>crc<b-ab-afc ff>c<fb-af>crc<b-ab-afc t44 l1 rrrr t216 r.r.r.r.r.r.r.r2 t176 r2r2. l8 v8 fga>c<fga>c&c1<fga>c<fga>c&c1<fga>c<fga>c&c1<fga>c<fga>c&c1< fga>c<fga>c&c1<fga>c<fga>c&c1<fga>c<fga>c&c1<fga>c<fga>c&c1< Harmony A t88 v13 l1 r.r.r.rr t176 rr. l8 r2rfrfrfrfrfrf r2rfrfrfrfrfrf r2rfrfrfrfrfrf r2rfrfrfrfrfrf r2rfrfrfrfrfrf r2rfrfrfrfrfrf r2rfrfrfrfrfrf r2rfrfrfrfrfrf r2rfrfrfrfrfrf r2rfrfrfrfrfrf r2rfrfrfrfrfrf r2rfrfrfrfrfrf t44 l1 rrrr t176 l8 r2rfrfrfrfrfrf r2rfrfrfrfrfrf r2rfrfrfrfrfrf r2rfrfrfrfrfrf t44 l1 rrrr t176 l8 v8 >f2.&ffrfrfrfrff2.&ffrfrfrfrff2.&ffrfrfrfrfe2.&eerererere f2.&ffrfrfrfrff2.&ffrfrfrfrff2.&ffrfrfrfrfe2.&efrfrfrere< l8 v13 r2rfrfrfrfrfrf r2rfrfrfrfrfrf r2rfrfrfrfrfrf r2rfrfrfrfrfrf r2rfrfrfrfrfrf r2rfrfrfrfrfrf r2rfrfrfrfrfrf r2rfrfrfrfrfrf t44 l1 rrrr t216 r.r.r.r.r.r.r.r2 t176 r2r2. l8 v8 >f2.&ffrfrfrfrff2.&ffrfrfrfrff2.&ffrfrfrfrfe2.&eerererere f2.&ffrfrfrfrff2.&ffrfrfrfrff2.&ffrfrfrfrfe2.&efrfrfrere< Harmony B t88 l1 r.r.r.rr t176 rr. t44 rrrrrr rrrr rr rrrr t176 l8 d2.&ddrdrdrdrd<b-2.&b-b-rb-rb-rb-rb-f2.&ffrfrfrfrf>c2.&ccrcrcrc+rc+ d2.&ddrdrdrdrd<b-2.&b-b-rb-rb-rb-rb-f2.&ffrfrfrfrf>c2.&cdrdrdrcrc t44 l1 rrrr rrrr t216 r.r.r.r.r.r.r.r2 t176 r2r2. l8 d2.&ddrdrdrdrd<b-2.&b-b-rb-rb-rb-rb-f2.&ffrfrfrfrf>c2.&ccrcrcrc+rc+ d2.&ddrdrdrdrd<b-2.&b-b-rb-rb-rb-rb-f2.&ffrfrfrfrf>c2.&cdrdrdrcrc Edited December 11, 2018 by A-zu-ra Adding more clarification on playback Link to comment
👑Janice Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 1 hour ago, A-zu-ra said: Hmm, if that's the case, I'll probably bite the bullet and keep the tempos consistent, even if it means an additional dozens of rs in the sheet. At least I know what's expected of me when it comes to what I can do for note saving and submitting to the site. If anyone was wondering what the MML in full looks like, here's what I was trying to attempt (note the different tempos on each channel). This would work correctly in MS2 itself, but break when played back on 3MLE. Reveal hidden contents Melody t176 l8 o5 v13fga>c<v12fga>c<v10fga>c<v8fga>c<v6fga>c<v5fga>c< v13fga>c<v12fga>c<v10fga>c<v8fga>c<v6fga>c<v5fga>c< v13fga>c<v12fga>c<v10fga>c<v8fga>c<v6fga>c<v5fga>c< v13fga>c<v12fga>c<v10fga>c<v8fga>c<v6fga>c<v5fga>c<v3fga>c<v2fga>c<< l1 rr. l8 v13 ff>c<fb-af>crc<b-ab-afc ff>c<fb-af>crc<b-ab-afc ff>c<fb-af>crc<b-ab-afc ff>c<fb-af>crc<b-ab-afc ff>c<fb-af>crc<b-ab-afc ff>c<fb-af>crc<b-ab-afc ff>c<fb-af>crc<b-ab-afc ff>c<fb-af>crc<b-ab-afc ff>c<fb-af>crc<b-ab-afc ff>c<fb-af>crc<b-ab-afc ff>c<fb-af>crc<b-ab-afc ff>c<fb-af>crc<b-ab-afc t44 l1 rrrr t176 l8 ff>c<fb-af>crc<b-ab-afc ff>c<fb-af>crc<b-ab-afc ff>c<fb-af>crc<b-ab-afc ff>c<fb-af>crc<b-ab-afc t44 l1 rrrr t176 l8 v8 fga>c<fga>c&c1<fga>c<fga>c&c1<fga>c<fga>c&c1<fga>c<fga>c&c1< fga>c<fga>c&c1<fga>c<fga>c&c1<fga>c<fga>c&c1<fga>c<fga>c&c1< v13 ff>c<fb-af>crc<b-ab-afc ff>c<fb-af>crc<b-ab-afc ff>c<fb-af>crc<b-ab-afc ff>c<fb-af>crc<b-ab-afc ff>c<fb-af>crc<b-ab-afc ff>c<fb-af>crc<b-ab-afc ff>c<fb-af>crc<b-ab-afc ff>c<fb-af>crc<b-ab-afc t44 l1 rrrr t216 r.r.r.r.r.r.r.r2 t176 r2r2. l8 v8 fga>c<fga>c&c1<fga>c<fga>c&c1<fga>c<fga>c&c1<fga>c<fga>c&c1< fga>c<fga>c&c1<fga>c<fga>c&c1<fga>c<fga>c&c1<fga>c<fga>c&c1< Harmony A t88 v13 l1 r.r.r.rr t176 rr. l8 r2rfrfrfrfrfrf r2rfrfrfrfrfrf r2rfrfrfrfrfrf r2rfrfrfrfrfrf r2rfrfrfrfrfrf r2rfrfrfrfrfrf r2rfrfrfrfrfrf r2rfrfrfrfrfrf r2rfrfrfrfrfrf r2rfrfrfrfrfrf r2rfrfrfrfrfrf r2rfrfrfrfrfrf t44 l1 rrrr t176 l8 r2rfrfrfrfrfrf r2rfrfrfrfrfrf r2rfrfrfrfrfrf r2rfrfrfrfrfrf t44 l1 rrrr t176 l8 v8 >f2.&ffrfrfrfrff2.&ffrfrfrfrff2.&ffrfrfrfrfe2.&eerererere f2.&ffrfrfrfrff2.&ffrfrfrfrff2.&ffrfrfrfrfe2.&efrfrfrere< l8 v13 r2rfrfrfrfrfrf r2rfrfrfrfrfrf r2rfrfrfrfrfrf r2rfrfrfrfrfrf r2rfrfrfrfrfrf r2rfrfrfrfrfrf r2rfrfrfrfrfrf r2rfrfrfrfrfrf t44 l1 rrrr t216 r.r.r.r.r.r.r.r2 t176 r2r2. l8 v8 >f2.&ffrfrfrfrff2.&ffrfrfrfrff2.&ffrfrfrfrfe2.&eerererere f2.&ffrfrfrfrff2.&ffrfrfrfrff2.&ffrfrfrfrfe2.&efrfrfrere< Harmony B t88 l1 r.r.r.rr t176 rr. t44 rrrrrr rrrr rr rrrr t176 l8 d2.&ddrdrdrdrd<b-2.&b-b-rb-rb-rb-rb-f2.&ffrfrfrfrf>c2.&ccrcrcrc+rc+ d2.&ddrdrdrdrd<b-2.&b-b-rb-rb-rb-rb-f2.&ffrfrfrfrf>c2.&cdrdrdrcrc t44 l1 rrrr rrrr t216 r.r.r.r.r.r.r.r2 t176 r2r2. l8 d2.&ddrdrdrdrd<b-2.&b-b-rb-rb-rb-rb-f2.&ffrfrfrfrf>c2.&ccrcrcrc+rc+ d2.&ddrdrdrdrd<b-2.&b-b-rb-rb-rb-rb-f2.&ffrfrfrfrf>c2.&cdrdrdrcrc 3mle actually does a good job of keeping all notes compact to save space on the in game sheets if you use the the optimization tool under "Track>Optimization Options>Optimize all tracks". As Hisokai said it can compress many rest notes down using that option. Not sure if it will save as much as your method but it works well and keeps everything just easier for everyone this way. When you convert your file to have matching tempo I would love if you can pm me and attach the mml for the 3mle global tempo and the ms2mml for your way of compressing so I can compare them! Link to comment
Guest Hisokai Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 Your melody with a single tempo would look like this and taking up 80 less notes (when all the spaces and linebreaks in yours are deleted). Spoiler t176v13l8>fgab+v12fgab+v10fgab+v8fgab+v6fgab+v5fgab+v13fgab+v12fgab+v10fgab+v8fgab+v6fgab+v5fgab+v13fgab+v12fgab+v10fgab+v8fgab+v6fgab+v5fgab+v13fgab+v12fgab+v10fgab+v8fgab+v6fgab+v5fgab+v3fgab+v2fgab+r1r1.v13<ffb+fa+af>crc<a+aa+afcffb+fa+af>crc<a+aa+afcffb+fa+af>crc<a+aa+afcffb+fa+af>crc<a+aa+afcffb+fa+af>crc<a+aa+afcffb+fa+af>crc<a+aa+afcffb+fa+af>crc<a+aa+afcffb+fa+af>crc<a+aa+afcffb+fa+af>crc<a+aa+afcffb+fa+af>crc<a+aa+afcffb+fa+af>crc<a+aa+afcffb+fa+af>crc<a+aa+afcl1.rrrrrrrrrrr1l8ffb+fa+af>crc<a+aa+afcffb+fa+af>crc<a+aa+afcffb+fa+af>crc<a+aa+afcffb+fa+af>crc<a+aa+afcl1.rrrrrrrrrrr1v8l8fgab+fga>c&c1<fgab+fga>c&c1<fgab+fga>c&c1<fgab+fga>c&c1<fgab+fga>c&c1<fgab+fga>c&c1<fgab+fga>c&c1<fgab+fga>c&c1v13<ffb+fa+af>crc<a+aa+afcffb+fa+af>crc<a+aa+afcffb+fa+af>crc<a+aa+afcffb+fa+af>crc<a+aa+afcffb+fa+af>crc<a+aa+afcffb+fa+af>crc<a+aa+afcffb+fa+af>crc<a+aa+afcffb+fa+af>crc<a+aa+afcl1.rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr2.v8l8fgab+fga>c&c1<fgab+fga>c&c1<fgab+fga>c&c1<fgab+fga>c&c1<fgab+fga>c&c1<fgab+fga>c&c1<fgab+fga>c&c1<fgab+fga>c&c1 Link to comment
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